that’s what I was going to say. usually if you ask guys like this what makes up sexy/attractive, it’s way more unrealistic than things like having a car and making her laugh. usually has some degree of “can’t have lived because then she’s tainted and has lost her innocence, but also must be *my* whore very early in the relationship but can’t have been like that with any other guy because I’m so special.”
men: must be short, big boobs, big ass, small waist, thigh gap, pretty face perfecr at all times no makeup, long hair, virgin, unexperienced, moldable
women: i just want a guy with a good personality and a decent job. would be nice if he was tall maybe
men: you slut! you must just hate men
see how easy it is to make the "short" list long and the "long" list short? crazy right. totally no bias anywhere in there
That's the point because I noticed women having these super high standards but ending up falling for a guy who wasn't exactly perfect, but is just someone who they felt like was the right person for them and made them happy. I don't see this that often in men. Men almost never lower their unrealistic standards for a woman who's worthy.
I feel like on both sides these "high standards" statements people make about themselves come from a place of insecurity. Like people think it drives up their own perceived value. It's like entry level jobs saying they want a degree *and* 3 years experience; they do actually have to hire somebody and it's probably not gonna be the unicorn they feign to insist on.
I might be wrong but all the time I see men picking a woman they think is perfect (often based on looks, but not always) and then get hit with a huge disappointment once it turns out that they're not so perfect at all. Women are so idealized everywhere that men don't really know what's possible.
So, either there is more men with women who are conventionally more attractive than them, or my gayness is affecting my judgement.
Yea its mainly seen on the subbreddits r/relationshipadvice and r/AITA but the last one can have a lot of made up stories. Relationship advice can have things like "How can I politely tell my wife to lose weight?" Because she gained 15 lbs after child birth for example
I'm 5' with a large chest and when I worked in hospitality the comments I got from men were *horrifying*. Why would I want to go out with you when you look me up and down and say "I'd like to see how a petite girl like you could take a big boy like me" 🤮
Although I'm 6" taller (the real 6" not what men say it is when measuring...fish), I got so much of the same crap. I worked in men's formalwear and it was a nightmare. The guys were sleazy as hell, drunk, and trying to get me to join them in the changing room for nothing I'd enjoy. I can only imagine how awful it must be in hospitality, especially since you can't just kick them out at 8pm and get on with your evening. If I got told one more time that the man needed help readjusting his pants after I adjusted the waist, or a groom trying to pick me up the day after his wedding, I'd have screamed. And the smarmy tone they always use. I have a visceral reaction just thinking about it and it's been years. Let women work.
Argh that smarmyness is exactly it. I can't replicate it, but the difference between "you look nice and "you look *nice*" is (*shivers*) completely opposite ends of the spectrum
Then those same men, when you show that you're uncomfortable, get angry and say they gave you a compliment and you can at least say thank you. Their cognitive dissonance is wild. If they think we can't tell, immediately, when they're being lascivious, they are sorely mistaken. Playing the 'it was an innocent compliment" ploy then just tells you they're a liar too.
Edit: spelling
Stories like this are why I’m glad I have resting b- face. My natural facial expression keeps most men from trying anything, I did have one who it didn’t turn away though and he was a super sweet nerd I ended up going on a couple dates with then ended up dating his sister instead, lol.
That's an adorable story. When you're working retail, or any other service job, you are required to constantly have a pleasant face and smile. It's a requirement if you don't want to lose your job, at least where I live. But that's the problem, I wasn't smiling because I wanted to. I wasn't bending over backwards because I liked them. I needed that commission bonus to my paycheck so my kid and I could have a place to live.
To anyone who doesn't understand: Don't hit on people while they're working. They're required to be nice. It isn't an invitation.
Oh yeah, when talking with them I am smiling and pleasant but all retail jobs I’ve worked has them around for awhile so they see my natural expression at some point, though one coworker said my confident body language combined with the expression and the fact I am just above average male height just made me seem unapproachable. None of my managers ever saw a problem with it though one did mention (manager not customer) he would get freaked out whenever I turned a certain way out front because if the light caught the golden flecks in my eye it made them look like lava. So maybe my experiences were just from luck of the draw that my physical appearance helps give me an air that I’m not one to mess with.
Oh so it’s men who are supposed to have the six pack. The instructions were unclear guess I can stop doing those lower ab workouts I do religiously, thought I was keeping the abs to keep my bf happy.
So many of these chuds do this now. Read any of the relationship subs and you'll see men inventing shit out of whole cloth to get mad about.
*Lady Posting:* I get .5 hours of sleep a night, I work all the time, I'd like to find a way to get my husband to stop throwing his dirty underwear in my face every day.
*Reddit Chud:* YOU EVIL LYING WH000RE!!!!! Ur probabl;y slu77ing it up with the neighbor while your husband WORKS14870361 HOURS EVERY SINGLE DAY BENDING RAILROAD TIES AND DRINKING SEWER WATER!!!!!!!111!!11111
Reddit chuds: “don’t you know that at ANY SECOND he could be DRAFTED INTO WAR even though there hasn’t been a draft in America for 50 years???!!!!! I am CONSUMED WITH TERROR about a nonexistent military draft despite being way too out of shape physically and mentally to qualify!”
If an American man gets drafted into the army that’s either a sign we’ve been taken over by totalitarians or a nightmare WWIII scenario, so “misandry” will be the least of his worries
Feminists also oppose the draft
One of the biggest opponents of sending boys to war is those same boys’ mothers while rich white dudes were all for it
So if they bring up the draft just be like oh so you agree with feminism that the draft should be illegal
Don’t forget he may have been circumcised bc his parents or religion chose it bc only boys suffer genital mutilation. Girls never suffer that or suffer at all, only guys suffer/s
Female circumcision is not practiced in America but millions of male babies get circumcised without their consent. Pointing out female circumcision in Africa as a response to people being mad about male circumcision in America doesn’t make sense
It’s also not even true. American girls do undergo FGM.
Just because they’re black girls who immigrated with their families from countries where FGM happens doesn’t make them any less American and doesn’t mean it doesn’t still happen
The amount of immigrants that practice female circumcision is extremely small, not even one percent of the population, while like 60% of American males were circumcised as babies. And in a lot of countries outside America where genital mutilation is banned, they still have a hard time banning male genital mutilation because certain religious groups refuse to stop doing it to their babies
Usually posted by the same guys who post shit like this:
* *"I want a maid, a chef, a woman who lives off beer, Monsters, steak, and ribs and never goes to the gym but is 105 pounds, a woman who loves video games but isn't better than me at them, who loves guns but can't outshoot me, has nothing but dude-bro hobbies but doesn't have guy friends, is a virgin but instinctively fucks harder than Sasha Grey, doesn't have a college degree or a better job than me yet has disposable income to spend on hair stylists, waxing, manicures, dresses, high heels and will laugh at my crude rape n' pedo jokes but will go into Witness Protection to avoid menstruating, shitting, farting, or burping around me."*
Damn are you insecure aswell?? I can only assume how ugly person he is inside and out.
No man who is confident and who respects a women would wish his girl to look like that and has those standards
You can be hot and shitty person as you can be ugly and shitty person aswell
Looks has norhing to do with how you treat others and women around you but insecurity does
Me: I want someone roughly at my level. You know, self-supporting, takes care of himself, nice person. I suspect some guys (not all) misinterpret that and apply their own idea of masculinity to it.
Those guys: I want a woman so far above my level that I'll never get her, and when I fail I'll blame all women while ignoring women who have made similar choices to me.
When I re-read this it sounds a bit bitchy and arrogant, but the point is that I feel like these guys fixate on the top 5% of women, according to their standards.
I didn’t know that in America men have so high standards! Now I understand why women too have high standards! Well I think both of you won’t be happy in the long run but who am I to judge!
Men who are obsessed with women like that have those standards. Women obsessed with exceptionally attractive men have their standards. Then there's the vast majority who marry people we find attractive and adore and don't worry about a 6 pack or height. We just love who we love and we don't worry about how attractive other people find our significant others.
If a woman works out regularly, eats healthy, and is very active then she can expect the man she wants to be with to put in that same kind of effort. The same goes for men.
The problem is that there are a subset of men that want that but without having to do anything. They want her to be up to their (often impossible) standards while they can just sit around in dirty clothes watching TV in their filthy apartments. They feel they offer as much as she does. That's just demonstrably false.
Thank you for answering in a polite manner and yes i totally agree with you! Men can’t expect something from their potential partners without putting in the same effort 💯
There is a fundamental equality to the human race in terms of value and potential. But people make their own choices. They often have limited choices, which is unfortunate. Someone can be a good person and be in my life while not meeting the requirement to be in a romantic relationship with me. I'd take a low-income plumber who is a decent person over some pretentious rich dude looking for a second mother. Like I've said in other comments, I feel like people interpret "standards" to mean "the standards I think women have"
Same I also don't want any kids, can easily open my own jars, fix and build anything by myself...what else is there that only men can do that they could possibly offer? Oh and I can give myself orgasms...what else you got men?
Men: He must be tall, educated, earn, have a house and car, make me laugh, be sensitive, be strong, have 6 pack abs & take me on trips.
Me: Wow your perfect guy sounds amazing.
Men: NO THAT'S WHAT WOMEN WANT!
Me: You sure? I don't think so because I've seen the exact opposite absolutly everywhere and the ones that list off these desirable traits are all...well men.
Men: No that's...
Me: Just admit you're gay and you'll live a much happier life. You'll make the women around you leaps and bounds happier too since you are no longer lying to yourself and making our lives miserable because you're constantly attacking us for your own insecurities.
All the men in the incel group are obsessed with those traits in other men but claim it’s the women that are obsessed yet all the couples out in the real world don’t fit those standards at all.
I guess I saw this post at a bad time in my life. I recently went theough a breakup with my gf, and it sounded like she wanted a lot of those traits from me. Some I was able to provide others not so much.
During our relationship she gained 50-60lb.
I broke things off partly because i wan’t as attracted to her after the weight gain, and trying to get her active during the pandemic. Also because she felt like she wasn’t happy because I wasn’t Romantic or strong and she felt like she wanted that.
Is this just my relationship or true among most couples? We were together for 4 yrs I’m 27
I get what he means. I wanted 3 owls in a trench coat who could cook paella. I got a Spaniard instead and I guess he's okay. Probably not as fluffy as the owls would've been but you can't have it all.
Lol have you all ever come across those profiles written by total idiots where they list the measurements of what the woman must be, but it’s legit something that can’t exist without a ton of plastic surgery?
While they go on about how it’s just natural to want an alpha because wolves?
Yeah, those guys are a riot.
Which is even funnier because there are no alphas in natural wolf packs. It's just the parents and their pups. The scientist who did the study has said it was incorrect because it was focused on wolves that didn't know each other being thrown into the same place. It was not wolves in the wild. But these guys hold onto that like it's the only thing keeping them afloat.
I'm so glad she's happy! I have a similar situation. My husband has set the bar high as well. I don't think I'd ever be able to be with someone else if he died. He treats me as an equal, stops what he's doing to hear what I have to say and wants to know my opinion on any and everything. He is generous with his time, in bed, and the way he treated his mom and kids showed me that he is truly a good person inside. He is everything I didn't know I wanted and I feel blessed every day that he's with me.
These guys that think they're owed sex because they held the door open for you will never be able to compete. And they shouldn't be able to. Being a good person means you're not trying to earn something or trying to manipulate to get what you want.
The I want a sexy woman with no kids isn't problematic in itself you can say that that. I don't think anyone would say bitter.
Like I personally wouldn't want to date a single dad because kids are kind of a lot to ask for with someone. And I am personally not equipped for kids.
It's the whole bitter way they say it. I don't want a fatty fat woman are low value and not deserving of anyone until they lose weight good luck trying to find a man because no one wants to be with someone bigger than them it's just male nature you know. (And the girl is not fat just average).
Or men don't want someone ran through if your body count is too high men will instinctually get the ick from you because you have STDs and it's like a used piece of bubblegum or used shoes no one will want that ew. And you can't pair bond because science reasons and every relationship with you will end in a divorce. You're a "slut" "whore" "ran through" "dirty".
I don't want a single mom because she had another man and she obviously made a bad choice it's a red flag about her as a person! I don't want to be a beta raising another man's child because it's already been claimed. As a man we aren't programmed to want to raise another man's child, it goes against our instinct as men men can't nurture!!!!! I bet she only wants me for my money so she can raise that kid and I will just bankroll another kid it's the ultimate cuck!!!!! And her body will already be kind of ruined because she had a kid.
That's where we get the whole why are you so bitter and angry! Lol not from stating your preferences men are just as much allowed to have them as women are. But when you condemn other people for not fitting those preferences and say they are subhuman and somehow flawed and terrible. That's where they get backlash. And for it to be gaslighting like I just want these simple preferences but really it's some deep rooted misogyny and resentment.
Man only want their GF/wife to be a virgin so they can “claim their teritory” they don’t look at us like normal humans we are only object and made for commiting to them and satifying their needs and fantasies
That's why like if I am dating and a guy says anything about body count he's out. He's gone. Bye
It lets me know sex is for them them alone and they have a weird entitled view of me as a person.
The amount of men I’ve seen with insane demands:
You can’t be anything more than paper thin
You can’t eat too much even IF you’re paper thin
You can’t be too confident
You can’t be too tall
You can’t be older than 18 or 19
You can’t make more money than him
You can’t have sex with too much people
You can’t hang out with other men
Stop pretending like it’s only women who have unreasonable demands ffs the hypocrisy.
Oh yeah how could I forget the oh so horrifying women with muscles.
"Earn" a.k.a have a job is a realistic expectation, and so is "makes me laugh" and "is sensitive". Is it unreasonable for women to want a hard worker who treats them decently?
But the rest shows he either keeps failing at finding dates or fails at dating and is likely the common denomintaor. Yet another man who is basically screaming "it can't be MY fault I have a problem with relationships. It's every single woman and they all have this huge list of demands!"
Yeah, let´s all pretend that all women on planet earth are exactly the same and all have the same wishes and requirements. 🙄 It´s not as if all men want beautiful women, who are sexy, cook, clean and pretend to be your mommy ... do they? 😏
She must be tall but not taller than you, with big perky breasts but not too big, remain looking 20 forever, have no kids, no debt, a great job but not paid more than you, perfect complexion, no children, a virgin, while also a sex-maniac, smart but not smarter than you, educated but not as educated as you are, no ex's, no cats, not too much makeup but never tired looking and wear makeup but not enough so that I can tell you are wearing it, not fat ever but willing to have my children while remaining slender no matter what but stay out of the gym, hair must not be dyed but no grey and it must look perfect at all times and be long, she must also have a soft-spoken feminine quality about her and never ask me questions about where I am and what I am doing. She has to make you laugh but only in a girlish way, have a car, a home, and be willing to change her name to yours and be willing to make you the center of her world at all times and completely change her way of life to fit yours.
I can repair, assemble furniture, cook excellently, earn my own money, strive for a degree and take care of myself, currently I'm about 4 pack, muscular thighs and in good shape. I speak four languages. But most men are not even able to wash their asses adequately and demand criteria that they cannot meet. And I am single and don’t cry like incels. XD
I feel like these people don't leave their house or don't have friends. I've seem ton and tons of couples where the guy is just a normal guy. They only say this bcs no one will date them and instead of self reflecting or something they put them blame women.
Yesssss take me on trips I don't wanna be stuck inside all day if you're going on a trip to the grocery store take me with you
Oh that's not what the dude who obviously knows everything about women meant? Oh
Men to other men: you're not a man if you're not tall, rich, attractive, and have a big dick! Literally no woman will want you if you don't have all of those things!
Also men: why are women forcing such strict beauty standards on us!?
Granted, I’ve never heard a man say that besides maybe immature high schoolers what color is your Bugatti type shit. HOWEEVER. a lot of men of a unrealistic body imagine or body dismorphia because of all the Roided out, make actors just like women do from all the photoshopped models
Ok maybe that’s the problem?
1. if you have nothing to give out of this list you should work on it or have other qualities. Btw not all women are the same so you just lie. And even if a lot of women like what you listet? Why should we lower our standards while you tell us that every woman who is not attractive is left to be single?
2. Beauty isn’t your only wish right? She has to behave like a mother, like a maid, carry your ass around and never talk back……. So list everything or stop this shit right now.
3. if beauty is your only wish you get what you deserve because you didn’t ask for more.
Credit for bot saying females :)
mofo right and wrong
2 sides of feminism
1 side is right because of sexist standards to *women*
1 side is wrong bcuz sexism to *men* is forgotten and ignored
Toxic feminism wants to be better than man and totally doesn’t respect then or anything
Normal feminism and how feminism should be wants to be equal and respected by man. We dob’t want to be looked like an objects anymore
Sexism to men doesn’t exist men didn’t suffer thru history and they never will.
Males: She has to be a 10 but act like she thinks she’s a 2, she has to be a freak in bed but have absolutely no experience, she has to sleep with me on the first date because I bought her a burger and fries but like she CANT be a ho, if she enjoys sex too much she’s OBVIOUSLY ran through so she’s not “wifey material”, she has to work and cook and clean and have my babies but NEVER gain weight or I’m OUT, she has to be 17 or at least look like it and NEVER age, she can’t be dumb but she can’t be smart, she can’t talk to me about her problems because I don’t wanna hear them, she has to be ready to fuck whenever and wherever I want no matter how I treat her, and she has to be SUBMISSIVE. I DONT FEEL LIKE IM ASKING TOO MUCH!!!!! 😭😭😭😭
Women: I want a good looking guy who treats me right even though I’d be just as happy with a goofy looking guy who also treats me right.
Males: YOU BITCHES NEED TO LOWER YOUR STANDARDS!!!!! HOW DARE YOU ASK MEN TO BE ATTRACTIVE, YOU MAN HATING HYPOCRITICAL BODY SHAMERS!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭
More like...
Woman: He needs to share the work and expenses, not be an asshole to people or animals, and be friendly in a non-creepy way.
Conservative Men: You lost me at "share"...
I'm a woman. Last time I was single I was looking for a dad bod who would watch Doctor Who with me and who yelled at the TV when sportsball was on. Kids optional.
Found him, BTW.
I was looking for a smart, decent guy. I don't care about looks, because looks are lost over time. I don't care about huge finances, because I support myself. All he needed to do was to have some income of his own. I'm a grown-ass woman, so I wanted a peer. Not a boy/toy. I thought I found him, and he dumped me in a text.
Pretty heart-broken, I thought I wouldn't worry about finding another guy. Who needs the pain, right?
Luckily, he found me. He thought I was smart and pretty. He's visually impaired, so I'll just give him that. He wasn't looking for a woman, and it was happenstance that he noticed me. We married a year later.
Is it all perfect? Hell no. But if someone's aim is to have a perfect life, they will be forever disappointed. Perfect doesn't happen on Earth. We're stuck on this rock (for the time being...), so the best policy is to make the best of the time we have here.
Damn bro I want like that but to play old video games with 😂😂 that’s fucken awesome you found that, I also haven’t seen docotor who in years sneed to get back on that
Idk either man, some men are just weird. Women can be just as unrealistic with their standards, but men seem more loud about it I guess. And omg yes, boobs are boobs!
Monogamous people trip me out
Why not stop expecting things and just enjoy the company you have, instead of confusing your trite sense of infatuation and ingrained need to control, own and change as love?
Or don’t, y’all spend enough time fucking yourselves, probably pretty good at it by now.
The thing I find funny is that it’s very easy to make the long list short and the short list long. Kinda feels like it’s easy to make up unrealistic standards, don’t you think?
On the one hand, were I a straight man, I'd like to think that this wouldn't be me. On the other, I worry that I only say this as a gay man, and that if I were straight I'd be all too liable to this shittiness.
My latest post on my personal FB is literally me being mad at myself for getting sick. This guy's mad at some women on tinder for not replying back after he went on a swipe-right binge and manifested Amalgamation Woman™️ in his head to yell about.
So funny how they don’t get that asking for a sexy woman who has no kids only serves to objectify women. But we talk about wanting a man who is attractive to us, has similar interests (like travel), good personality, and we are too picky!
Tbh saying "I'd just like a sexy woman" is no better than his example of what are supposed to be women's requirements and probably entails at least as many requirements...
Hey, if you want to BE a chooser instead of a beggar, you better DESERVE a chooser instead of a beggar. That’s my advice.
Trust, women are equally as exhausted of men who have ridiculously high standards and are not able to bring the same bacon to the table.
Even the man who coined the term “high value man”…
Is anything but. You don’t get to determine your own value to others. Others decide that for you. Get used to it. And pick from those who pick you. Quit crying about not getting the best. Enough already.
Be short, don’t speak much, have boobs, have ass, don’t have any stomach or body hair, clean the house all by yourself and provide 50% at the same time, never say no to sex(or he might end up cheating), be nice to his friends but not too nice, stay at home while he can party out
I mean, if your only standard is “sexy + no kids” then don’t kid yourself. So you don’t care about the qualities of your partner as a person? Compatibility? Shared values? And you don’t see that as a problem?
I like how other than the 6 pack abs the women’s standards aren’t even that high. Like ohh you want someone stable who will be themselves around you ohhhhhh
The women created their beauty standards, obviously there is a certain point where a man isn't going to want a woman, but the standard when it comes to women wanting men is wayyy higher than men wanting a woman, that's fact🤷
And dumb cunt seems to be literally the only one you have.
BTW fashion has been a men's game for a long time. It's tailored to the male gaze, and often done so by men. The biggest names in fashion are largely men. Stop being such a willfully ignorant pustule.
Women: go on tiktok, Twitter and Facebook drooling over how tall their boyfriend is and how much muscle he has while bullying short men 24/7 365
Also women: “why do men think we all want tall men? It’s the MEN that say it!!”
Women: talk about how they find their partner attractive because thats a normal thing to do
You: and I took that personally.
Also love the fact that you lump all women into the same category. Did you never consider that the women "drooling over how tall their boyfriend is" might be *different women* than those saying they don't all want tall men? You do realize not all women are the same, right? Or at least you would if you'd ever a conversation with one...
> You do realize not all women are the same, right?
A study said 96% of women wouldn’t date a man shorter than them. 96% of them are marginally equal. Tall, dark and handsome has been the standard for decades for a reason
“But short men get married all the time!”
Ya and men with sever cystic acne get married all the time too. I think women would still prefer if they didn’t have that trait…
Got a link to that study?
>Ya and men with sever cystic acne get married all the time too. I think women would still prefer if they didn’t have that trait…
Emphasis on the *prefer.* I would prefer that the person I date has red hair, because it is my favourite hair colour. That doesn't prevent me from finding people without red hair attractive, nor does it mean I would never date anyone without red hair, it just means that it's one of my preferences.
Also, [here's](https://www.sharecare.com/relationships/study-find-women-prefer-taller-men) one that says 55% of women preferred taller men. Keep in mind, the wording used in the article I'm citing was "preferred". Having a preference for taller men doesn't mean refusing to date short men.
> Got a link to that study?
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886907002814
> Emphasis on the prefer
I’m not going to have a fun time in a relationship with a women if I knew she had some sort of tall man fetish. Do you think a woman would like if their partner said “I’d prefer if you had bigger boobs” or “I’d prefer if you lost weight.” Of course not. People want to be desired and not settled for. Humans aren’t robots with the capabilities to ignore those things
To quote from that study: "In the personal ads sample, this norm was more strongly enforced by women than by men: 23% of men compared to only 4% of women would accept a dating relationship where the woman was taller."
That's right, the study you cited used data from *fucking dating ads* for the stat you cited. You do realize that dating ads are by no means an actually reasonable representation of how people actually date, right?
As for your second point, people are always going to settles in some way for their partners. There's always going to be something about them that you might prefer to be different, because that's how people are. Not perfect.
Women obviously wouldn't like it if their partner said “I’d prefer if you had bigger boobs”, because that's a dick thing to say, and out of their control. It's just fucking rude.
Your partner will desire you in some ways, and feel as though they are settling in others. That's just how people are.
> You do realize that dating ads are by no means an actually reasonable representation of how people actually date, right?
Source? It’s 2023. Most the people I know that are in relationships met in dating apps. It’s the present and future reality of dating.
People need to stop acting like tinder, Twitter, tiktok, YouTube etc isn’t “the real world.” It literally *is* the real world. They’re real people with real preferences. They aren’t AI bots or some crap. At least 99% of them aren’t
That study came out in 2008, when dating cites were much less common. The types of people you were most likely to meet there were people who for whatever reason struggled to find a partner in the real world. I wonder what one reason for that could be, perhaps unreasonable requirements?
Also, [this](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/06/10-facts-about-americans-and-online-dating/) Pew Research article says that a third of American adults have used dating apps, and that 12% of American adults were in a committed relationship or married to someone they met through dating apps. In other words, most people in relationships did not, in fact, meet through dating apps.
Interestingly enough, going back to our earlier conversation about height preferences, that same article states that only 8% of men and 22% of women said height was very important to them. The article does also say that women are more picky than men in all of the categories they listed, with the biggest disparity being occupation, with 8% of men citing it as very important, and 27% of women. The closest category was photos of themselves, with 68% of men and 74% of women citing it as very important.
Well he isn't wrong. But these are mild at best
Its like throwing water into an oil fire if you ask them about their bodyweight and/or bodycount.
If you really want to make them lose their 💩 😅
Women beauty standard:blonde hair blue eyes(example)
Men beauty standard for women: thich thighs,small waist,fat ass,big boobs, full lips,blue eyes, hair black or blonde who would look at the hair if she has nice pair of titties? Must obey me and be a virgin but also a nimfomaniac. If her body count is 1+ she’s a whore and she doesn’t deserve to live
She must breathe for me and be clingy but not too clingy because that’s unattractive
Cmon bffr
This is skewed but I have to admit that there is a truth in this as hypergamy is indeed a very western culture thing. With that there is a truth behind the observations about house, car and other material values plus a clear observation about peak physical attractiveness. I, for one, am not materialistic and have lived experience of the the financial discrimination that a cis het male can feel at the mercy of a gold digger who wont even have a conversation with you unless you have an iPhone 14 pro plus and are willing to drive them around and perpetuate an empty culture of social media bragging amongst other empty pursuits such as keeping up with the Joneses for validation
Women want someone who has something to bring on the table. Why would i want somebody i have so finacially support?
And especially if you’re looking to build a family with that guy. He doesn’t have to pay and do everything but he must bring something to a table
Fuck material wealth. Who says I want to start a family? Make sure to play TLC no scrubs whilst you buy your branded clothes and redo your kitchen you empty bitch
Do you believe, someone in Thailand will love you, for your character only? It‘s for passport, Western life and better conditions. And men dont choose the shy, average girls, they want stacies with nice bodies, faces and jobs. Or would you settle for a woman which is less attractive just because of her character? Please. Then why all my good looking friends get all the attention, when men choose character over appearance?
It appears there are empty souls of all genders! Character is important to me tbh but for many men it seems that they are driven by attractiveness first which is their loss, I suppose. Lol Stacies x
I have been lurking in Incel forums. I know all the terms. Men call other men „betabuxxers“ but want mail order brides, which choose them for money and passport. Some men are walking oxymorons. My attractive girlfriends get all the gifts and souvenirs at work, she is pretty, most men which buy her stuff, dont know her. And those are not a „few“. Attractive women are treated better by men. Not we are setting the standards. It goes both ways. Lookism applies for both genders.
But how does he define "sexy." It isn't one trait like he's trying to act like it is.
that’s what I was going to say. usually if you ask guys like this what makes up sexy/attractive, it’s way more unrealistic than things like having a car and making her laugh. usually has some degree of “can’t have lived because then she’s tainted and has lost her innocence, but also must be *my* whore very early in the relationship but can’t have been like that with any other guy because I’m so special.”
On point
men: must be short, big boobs, big ass, small waist, thigh gap, pretty face perfecr at all times no makeup, long hair, virgin, unexperienced, moldable women: i just want a guy with a good personality and a decent job. would be nice if he was tall maybe men: you slut! you must just hate men see how easy it is to make the "short" list long and the "long" list short? crazy right. totally no bias anywhere in there
That's the point because I noticed women having these super high standards but ending up falling for a guy who wasn't exactly perfect, but is just someone who they felt like was the right person for them and made them happy. I don't see this that often in men. Men almost never lower their unrealistic standards for a woman who's worthy.
I feel like on both sides these "high standards" statements people make about themselves come from a place of insecurity. Like people think it drives up their own perceived value. It's like entry level jobs saying they want a degree *and* 3 years experience; they do actually have to hire somebody and it's probably not gonna be the unicorn they feign to insist on.
Can you give me an example of your thesis ? The last sentence in particular
I might be wrong but all the time I see men picking a woman they think is perfect (often based on looks, but not always) and then get hit with a huge disappointment once it turns out that they're not so perfect at all. Women are so idealized everywhere that men don't really know what's possible. So, either there is more men with women who are conventionally more attractive than them, or my gayness is affecting my judgement.
I see! Thank you for taking the time to explain
Yea its mainly seen on the subbreddits r/relationshipadvice and r/AITA but the last one can have a lot of made up stories. Relationship advice can have things like "How can I politely tell my wife to lose weight?" Because she gained 15 lbs after child birth for example
I'm 5' with a large chest and when I worked in hospitality the comments I got from men were *horrifying*. Why would I want to go out with you when you look me up and down and say "I'd like to see how a petite girl like you could take a big boy like me" 🤮
Although I'm 6" taller (the real 6" not what men say it is when measuring...fish), I got so much of the same crap. I worked in men's formalwear and it was a nightmare. The guys were sleazy as hell, drunk, and trying to get me to join them in the changing room for nothing I'd enjoy. I can only imagine how awful it must be in hospitality, especially since you can't just kick them out at 8pm and get on with your evening. If I got told one more time that the man needed help readjusting his pants after I adjusted the waist, or a groom trying to pick me up the day after his wedding, I'd have screamed. And the smarmy tone they always use. I have a visceral reaction just thinking about it and it's been years. Let women work.
Argh that smarmyness is exactly it. I can't replicate it, but the difference between "you look nice and "you look *nice*" is (*shivers*) completely opposite ends of the spectrum
Then those same men, when you show that you're uncomfortable, get angry and say they gave you a compliment and you can at least say thank you. Their cognitive dissonance is wild. If they think we can't tell, immediately, when they're being lascivious, they are sorely mistaken. Playing the 'it was an innocent compliment" ploy then just tells you they're a liar too. Edit: spelling
Stories like this are why I’m glad I have resting b- face. My natural facial expression keeps most men from trying anything, I did have one who it didn’t turn away though and he was a super sweet nerd I ended up going on a couple dates with then ended up dating his sister instead, lol.
That's an adorable story. When you're working retail, or any other service job, you are required to constantly have a pleasant face and smile. It's a requirement if you don't want to lose your job, at least where I live. But that's the problem, I wasn't smiling because I wanted to. I wasn't bending over backwards because I liked them. I needed that commission bonus to my paycheck so my kid and I could have a place to live. To anyone who doesn't understand: Don't hit on people while they're working. They're required to be nice. It isn't an invitation.
Oh yeah, when talking with them I am smiling and pleasant but all retail jobs I’ve worked has them around for awhile so they see my natural expression at some point, though one coworker said my confident body language combined with the expression and the fact I am just above average male height just made me seem unapproachable. None of my managers ever saw a problem with it though one did mention (manager not customer) he would get freaked out whenever I turned a certain way out front because if the light caught the golden flecks in my eye it made them look like lava. So maybe my experiences were just from luck of the draw that my physical appearance helps give me an air that I’m not one to mess with.
Yes, women famously only date men with six pack abs.
Lol right? My husband will be shocked to find out that he actually has a 6 pack instead of his beautiful soft belly that I love
My boyfriend's belly is the perfect pillow to rest on, and it also reminds me of when I used to do the same thing with my grandfather when I was a kid
My late uncle, who was significantly shorter and fatter than his wife: “????”
Everyone has a six pack under their fat 😆 I've never dated anyone with a six pack that's visible....totally unimportant to me 😀
Oh so it’s men who are supposed to have the six pack. The instructions were unclear guess I can stop doing those lower ab workouts I do religiously, thought I was keeping the abs to keep my bf happy.
Instructions unclear, drank 6 spiked seltzers instead.
That’s the only right way to take those instructions.
"I don't listen to or understand women, but you better fucking believe I'm really mad at what I think they say!!!"
So many of these chuds do this now. Read any of the relationship subs and you'll see men inventing shit out of whole cloth to get mad about. *Lady Posting:* I get .5 hours of sleep a night, I work all the time, I'd like to find a way to get my husband to stop throwing his dirty underwear in my face every day. *Reddit Chud:* YOU EVIL LYING WH000RE!!!!! Ur probabl;y slu77ing it up with the neighbor while your husband WORKS14870361 HOURS EVERY SINGLE DAY BENDING RAILROAD TIES AND DRINKING SEWER WATER!!!!!!!111!!11111
Reddit chuds: “don’t you know that at ANY SECOND he could be DRAFTED INTO WAR even though there hasn’t been a draft in America for 50 years???!!!!! I am CONSUMED WITH TERROR about a nonexistent military draft despite being way too out of shape physically and mentally to qualify!”
OMG I had that convo this week! I asked the chud what war he'd been drafted into. The shrieking soon began...
If an American man gets drafted into the army that’s either a sign we’ve been taken over by totalitarians or a nightmare WWIII scenario, so “misandry” will be the least of his worries
Feminists also oppose the draft One of the biggest opponents of sending boys to war is those same boys’ mothers while rich white dudes were all for it So if they bring up the draft just be like oh so you agree with feminism that the draft should be illegal
Hey now, the war against feminism has claimed a ton of neckbeard and incel casualties!!!! How dare you not care about mennnnnn and their sacrifice!
Don’t forget he may have been circumcised bc his parents or religion chose it bc only boys suffer genital mutilation. Girls never suffer that or suffer at all, only guys suffer/s
Female circumcision is not practiced in America but millions of male babies get circumcised without their consent. Pointing out female circumcision in Africa as a response to people being mad about male circumcision in America doesn’t make sense
Not everyone lives in America. Idk why Americans don’t know this
It’s also not even true. American girls do undergo FGM. Just because they’re black girls who immigrated with their families from countries where FGM happens doesn’t make them any less American and doesn’t mean it doesn’t still happen
The amount of immigrants that practice female circumcision is extremely small, not even one percent of the population, while like 60% of American males were circumcised as babies. And in a lot of countries outside America where genital mutilation is banned, they still have a hard time banning male genital mutilation because certain religious groups refuse to stop doing it to their babies
This painted a picture 🤌🏻
Well congress passed that bill where in the next draft men & women will be eligible
If his imagination says it it’s true!!
Usually posted by the same guys who post shit like this: * *"I want a maid, a chef, a woman who lives off beer, Monsters, steak, and ribs and never goes to the gym but is 105 pounds, a woman who loves video games but isn't better than me at them, who loves guns but can't outshoot me, has nothing but dude-bro hobbies but doesn't have guy friends, is a virgin but instinctively fucks harder than Sasha Grey, doesn't have a college degree or a better job than me yet has disposable income to spend on hair stylists, waxing, manicures, dresses, high heels and will laugh at my crude rape n' pedo jokes but will go into Witness Protection to avoid menstruating, shitting, farting, or burping around me."*
I can only imagine how ugly he is. Inside and out
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No, insecure men do so, looks has nothing to with it don’t twist my words i said that mainly because he seems like a shitty person :)
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Damn are you insecure aswell?? I can only assume how ugly person he is inside and out. No man who is confident and who respects a women would wish his girl to look like that and has those standards You can be hot and shitty person as you can be ugly and shitty person aswell Looks has norhing to do with how you treat others and women around you but insecurity does
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Yes that’s exactly what i’m trying to say
So spot on
This post is just gushing with straight fire. I'm here for every descriptive bitchslap popping up, but this one. Holy shit this one is a bingo.
Tis the crown of all intercontinental bifflers
And here we see an impressive use of a term I didn't know existed in all its glory.
Biffler is an under appreciated term and I vow to bring it to the public eye.
Cringe straw man. Redditors try not to make up enemies out of thin air challenge impossible
Me: I want someone roughly at my level. You know, self-supporting, takes care of himself, nice person. I suspect some guys (not all) misinterpret that and apply their own idea of masculinity to it. Those guys: I want a woman so far above my level that I'll never get her, and when I fail I'll blame all women while ignoring women who have made similar choices to me. When I re-read this it sounds a bit bitchy and arrogant, but the point is that I feel like these guys fixate on the top 5% of women, according to their standards.
And their definition of sexy = not gonna go any lower than Monica Bellucci at *Malena*.
I had no idea who that was. My morning (technically afternoon, but I woke up late) got better because I googled her. Thank you.
I didn’t know that in America men have so high standards! Now I understand why women too have high standards! Well I think both of you won’t be happy in the long run but who am I to judge!
Men who are obsessed with women like that have those standards. Women obsessed with exceptionally attractive men have their standards. Then there's the vast majority who marry people we find attractive and adore and don't worry about a 6 pack or height. We just love who we love and we don't worry about how attractive other people find our significant others. If a woman works out regularly, eats healthy, and is very active then she can expect the man she wants to be with to put in that same kind of effort. The same goes for men. The problem is that there are a subset of men that want that but without having to do anything. They want her to be up to their (often impossible) standards while they can just sit around in dirty clothes watching TV in their filthy apartments. They feel they offer as much as she does. That's just demonstrably false.
Thank you for answering in a polite manner and yes i totally agree with you! Men can’t expect something from their potential partners without putting in the same effort 💯
While I don't believe in level's As where all humans But I understand where you coming from at the same time
There is a fundamental equality to the human race in terms of value and potential. But people make their own choices. They often have limited choices, which is unfortunate. Someone can be a good person and be in my life while not meeting the requirement to be in a romantic relationship with me. I'd take a low-income plumber who is a decent person over some pretentious rich dude looking for a second mother. Like I've said in other comments, I feel like people interpret "standards" to mean "the standards I think women have"
Perfect I'm a low-income plumber. They always told me my chances are 1 in a million but to me that still means I have a chance.
Are you Lloyd Christmas?
Lol. No but I could be your christmas.
That was actually pretty smooth Here have a cookie 🍪
I'm tall, educated, funny and strong with a house and a car. Why would I need a man for any of that?
Same I also don't want any kids, can easily open my own jars, fix and build anything by myself...what else is there that only men can do that they could possibly offer? Oh and I can give myself orgasms...what else you got men?
Yay, like all I got are cookie's and friendship 🍪
What KIND of cookies? Asking for a friend. OK, the friend is me.
may i recommend miso chocolate chip (milk, white, and peanut butter chips are the best for them)? i have a really good recipe, if you would like.
What kind do you like
Maybe you need a cave troll? Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Men: He must be tall, educated, earn, have a house and car, make me laugh, be sensitive, be strong, have 6 pack abs & take me on trips. Me: Wow your perfect guy sounds amazing. Men: NO THAT'S WHAT WOMEN WANT! Me: You sure? I don't think so because I've seen the exact opposite absolutly everywhere and the ones that list off these desirable traits are all...well men. Men: No that's... Me: Just admit you're gay and you'll live a much happier life. You'll make the women around you leaps and bounds happier too since you are no longer lying to yourself and making our lives miserable because you're constantly attacking us for your own insecurities.
I’m a guy, I’m confused are there many guys who are in the closet that say this?
All the men in the incel group are obsessed with those traits in other men but claim it’s the women that are obsessed yet all the couples out in the real world don’t fit those standards at all.
I guess I saw this post at a bad time in my life. I recently went theough a breakup with my gf, and it sounded like she wanted a lot of those traits from me. Some I was able to provide others not so much. During our relationship she gained 50-60lb. I broke things off partly because i wan’t as attracted to her after the weight gain, and trying to get her active during the pandemic. Also because she felt like she wasn’t happy because I wasn’t Romantic or strong and she felt like she wanted that. Is this just my relationship or true among most couples? We were together for 4 yrs I’m 27
I get what he means. I wanted 3 owls in a trench coat who could cook paella. I got a Spaniard instead and I guess he's okay. Probably not as fluffy as the owls would've been but you can't have it all.
They should have written the list of what it takes to be sexy
It would take him 3 business day to write it.
Lol have you all ever come across those profiles written by total idiots where they list the measurements of what the woman must be, but it’s legit something that can’t exist without a ton of plastic surgery? While they go on about how it’s just natural to want an alpha because wolves? Yeah, those guys are a riot.
Yes, all the time both online and IRL
Which is even funnier because there are no alphas in natural wolf packs. It's just the parents and their pups. The scientist who did the study has said it was incorrect because it was focused on wolves that didn't know each other being thrown into the same place. It was not wolves in the wild. But these guys hold onto that like it's the only thing keeping them afloat.
Well they don’t have much else. They have to justify their stupidity somehow.
It's the exact opposite, if anything. In my experience, most women are overjoyed just to find a guy who has a job and doesn't treat them like shit
"Omg he respected my boundaries!" ....yes as he should.... Kathy are you ok?
Standards for men are so low it’s actually really sad.
Honestly. I have a straight friend who's boyfriend set the bar high. Both with how he treats her romantically and sexually
I'm so glad she's happy! I have a similar situation. My husband has set the bar high as well. I don't think I'd ever be able to be with someone else if he died. He treats me as an equal, stops what he's doing to hear what I have to say and wants to know my opinion on any and everything. He is generous with his time, in bed, and the way he treated his mom and kids showed me that he is truly a good person inside. He is everything I didn't know I wanted and I feel blessed every day that he's with me. These guys that think they're owed sex because they held the door open for you will never be able to compete. And they shouldn't be able to. Being a good person means you're not trying to earn something or trying to manipulate to get what you want.
And is the WOMEN with us in the room right now?
Nah she from Canada
The I want a sexy woman with no kids isn't problematic in itself you can say that that. I don't think anyone would say bitter. Like I personally wouldn't want to date a single dad because kids are kind of a lot to ask for with someone. And I am personally not equipped for kids. It's the whole bitter way they say it. I don't want a fatty fat woman are low value and not deserving of anyone until they lose weight good luck trying to find a man because no one wants to be with someone bigger than them it's just male nature you know. (And the girl is not fat just average). Or men don't want someone ran through if your body count is too high men will instinctually get the ick from you because you have STDs and it's like a used piece of bubblegum or used shoes no one will want that ew. And you can't pair bond because science reasons and every relationship with you will end in a divorce. You're a "slut" "whore" "ran through" "dirty". I don't want a single mom because she had another man and she obviously made a bad choice it's a red flag about her as a person! I don't want to be a beta raising another man's child because it's already been claimed. As a man we aren't programmed to want to raise another man's child, it goes against our instinct as men men can't nurture!!!!! I bet she only wants me for my money so she can raise that kid and I will just bankroll another kid it's the ultimate cuck!!!!! And her body will already be kind of ruined because she had a kid. That's where we get the whole why are you so bitter and angry! Lol not from stating your preferences men are just as much allowed to have them as women are. But when you condemn other people for not fitting those preferences and say they are subhuman and somehow flawed and terrible. That's where they get backlash. And for it to be gaslighting like I just want these simple preferences but really it's some deep rooted misogyny and resentment.
Man only want their GF/wife to be a virgin so they can “claim their teritory” they don’t look at us like normal humans we are only object and made for commiting to them and satifying their needs and fantasies
That's why like if I am dating and a guy says anything about body count he's out. He's gone. Bye It lets me know sex is for them them alone and they have a weird entitled view of me as a person.
We aren’t the ones threatening people with dying alone
The amount of men I’ve seen with insane demands: You can’t be anything more than paper thin You can’t eat too much even IF you’re paper thin You can’t be too confident You can’t be too tall You can’t be older than 18 or 19 You can’t make more money than him You can’t have sex with too much people You can’t hang out with other men Stop pretending like it’s only women who have unreasonable demands ffs the hypocrisy. Oh yeah how could I forget the oh so horrifying women with muscles.
It's sad that "make me laugh" is on his list of unreasonable things
"Earn" a.k.a have a job is a realistic expectation, and so is "makes me laugh" and "is sensitive". Is it unreasonable for women to want a hard worker who treats them decently? But the rest shows he either keeps failing at finding dates or fails at dating and is likely the common denomintaor. Yet another man who is basically screaming "it can't be MY fault I have a problem with relationships. It's every single woman and they all have this huge list of demands!"
Yeah, let´s all pretend that all women on planet earth are exactly the same and all have the same wishes and requirements. 🙄 It´s not as if all men want beautiful women, who are sexy, cook, clean and pretend to be your mommy ... do they? 😏
In lieu of an actual example, here's an imaginary one.
What does “sexy” mean exactly?
I don’t think there is a true definition to it. It’s just the way it’s usually meant is to be virgin and a bunch of other weird incel shit.
Obviously I want someone who has their shit together, I don't want to be someone's mommy bang maid. 6 pack abs r just a bonus/s 😋
The abs are nice to look at, but a wee bit of padding is what I prefer. Warm and cozy.
She must be tall but not taller than you, with big perky breasts but not too big, remain looking 20 forever, have no kids, no debt, a great job but not paid more than you, perfect complexion, no children, a virgin, while also a sex-maniac, smart but not smarter than you, educated but not as educated as you are, no ex's, no cats, not too much makeup but never tired looking and wear makeup but not enough so that I can tell you are wearing it, not fat ever but willing to have my children while remaining slender no matter what but stay out of the gym, hair must not be dyed but no grey and it must look perfect at all times and be long, she must also have a soft-spoken feminine quality about her and never ask me questions about where I am and what I am doing. She has to make you laugh but only in a girlish way, have a car, a home, and be willing to change her name to yours and be willing to make you the center of her world at all times and completely change her way of life to fit yours.
I can repair, assemble furniture, cook excellently, earn my own money, strive for a degree and take care of myself, currently I'm about 4 pack, muscular thighs and in good shape. I speak four languages. But most men are not even able to wash their asses adequately and demand criteria that they cannot meet. And I am single and don’t cry like incels. XD
Also sex CREATES babies. It’s pretty normal for a sexy person to have kids.
I feel like these people don't leave their house or don't have friends. I've seem ton and tons of couples where the guy is just a normal guy. They only say this bcs no one will date them and instead of self reflecting or something they put them blame women.
It's the other way around like, we just want someone they treats us like we matter, as opposed to walking holes
Yesssss take me on trips I don't wanna be stuck inside all day if you're going on a trip to the grocery store take me with you Oh that's not what the dude who obviously knows everything about women meant? Oh
Men to other men: you're not a man if you're not tall, rich, attractive, and have a big dick! Literally no woman will want you if you don't have all of those things! Also men: why are women forcing such strict beauty standards on us!?
Granted, I’ve never heard a man say that besides maybe immature high schoolers what color is your Bugatti type shit. HOWEEVER. a lot of men of a unrealistic body imagine or body dismorphia because of all the Roided out, make actors just like women do from all the photoshopped models
Ok maybe that’s the problem? 1. if you have nothing to give out of this list you should work on it or have other qualities. Btw not all women are the same so you just lie. And even if a lot of women like what you listet? Why should we lower our standards while you tell us that every woman who is not attractive is left to be single? 2. Beauty isn’t your only wish right? She has to behave like a mother, like a maid, carry your ass around and never talk back……. So list everything or stop this shit right now. 3. if beauty is your only wish you get what you deserve because you didn’t ask for more. Credit for bot saying females :)
I mean yeah okay but either person is allowed to have standards.
Yes if you look the certain way you cannot ask for angelina jolie if you don’t look like brad pitt and it goes both ways
Do these fantasy attacks do something for them? I'm assuming it's like a kink or something.
Earn? A girl not wanting a deadbeat partner is wrong?
mofo right and wrong 2 sides of feminism 1 side is right because of sexist standards to *women* 1 side is wrong bcuz sexism to *men* is forgotten and ignored
Toxic feminism wants to be better than man and totally doesn’t respect then or anything Normal feminism and how feminism should be wants to be equal and respected by man. We dob’t want to be looked like an objects anymore Sexism to men doesn’t exist men didn’t suffer thru history and they never will.
The long lists of qualifications "men" have made screams the opposite of what this guy is saying.
Males: She has to be a 10 but act like she thinks she’s a 2, she has to be a freak in bed but have absolutely no experience, she has to sleep with me on the first date because I bought her a burger and fries but like she CANT be a ho, if she enjoys sex too much she’s OBVIOUSLY ran through so she’s not “wifey material”, she has to work and cook and clean and have my babies but NEVER gain weight or I’m OUT, she has to be 17 or at least look like it and NEVER age, she can’t be dumb but she can’t be smart, she can’t talk to me about her problems because I don’t wanna hear them, she has to be ready to fuck whenever and wherever I want no matter how I treat her, and she has to be SUBMISSIVE. I DONT FEEL LIKE IM ASKING TOO MUCH!!!!! 😭😭😭😭 Women: I want a good looking guy who treats me right even though I’d be just as happy with a goofy looking guy who also treats me right. Males: YOU BITCHES NEED TO LOWER YOUR STANDARDS!!!!! HOW DARE YOU ASK MEN TO BE ATTRACTIVE, YOU MAN HATING HYPOCRITICAL BODY SHAMERS!!!! 😭😭😭😭😭
More like... Woman: He needs to share the work and expenses, not be an asshole to people or animals, and be friendly in a non-creepy way. Conservative Men: You lost me at "share"...
I'm a woman. Last time I was single I was looking for a dad bod who would watch Doctor Who with me and who yelled at the TV when sportsball was on. Kids optional. Found him, BTW.
Literally same,i was looking for a dad bod,funny guy and who will go to the gym with me
I was looking for a smart, decent guy. I don't care about looks, because looks are lost over time. I don't care about huge finances, because I support myself. All he needed to do was to have some income of his own. I'm a grown-ass woman, so I wanted a peer. Not a boy/toy. I thought I found him, and he dumped me in a text. Pretty heart-broken, I thought I wouldn't worry about finding another guy. Who needs the pain, right? Luckily, he found me. He thought I was smart and pretty. He's visually impaired, so I'll just give him that. He wasn't looking for a woman, and it was happenstance that he noticed me. We married a year later. Is it all perfect? Hell no. But if someone's aim is to have a perfect life, they will be forever disappointed. Perfect doesn't happen on Earth. We're stuck on this rock (for the time being...), so the best policy is to make the best of the time we have here.
Damn bro I want like that but to play old video games with 😂😂 that’s fucken awesome you found that, I also haven’t seen docotor who in years sneed to get back on that
Inventing a woman in your head to argue with is the best way to show you are unbothered
Meanwhile the men are wanting a woman with thicc thight and unrealistic boobs size.
You forgot she must be all natural aswell
I don’t know where the boobs thing came from but most men and I have a saying, BOOBS ARE BOOBS meaning all boobs are vaild.
Idk either man, some men are just weird. Women can be just as unrealistic with their standards, but men seem more loud about it I guess. And omg yes, boobs are boobs!
Thank you
Monogamous people trip me out Why not stop expecting things and just enjoy the company you have, instead of confusing your trite sense of infatuation and ingrained need to control, own and change as love? Or don’t, y’all spend enough time fucking yourselves, probably pretty good at it by now.
All I want is someone who likes me. It’s a tall order. I already know I’m being unreasonable. I can barely stand me.
Who hurt you, Richard? Can I call you Dick?
For me my woman standard is not being sexy, for me, average looking is enough. The thing i want most is that she is kind and understanding to me
The thing I find funny is that it’s very easy to make the long list short and the short list long. Kinda feels like it’s easy to make up unrealistic standards, don’t you think?
Ah yes, all women have higb standards and all men do not
On the one hand, were I a straight man, I'd like to think that this wouldn't be me. On the other, I worry that I only say this as a gay man, and that if I were straight I'd be all too liable to this shittiness.
I just want a woman to love me🤷🏾♂️
Dick is big mad over something he made up.
My latest post on my personal FB is literally me being mad at myself for getting sick. This guy's mad at some women on tinder for not replying back after he went on a swipe-right binge and manifested Amalgamation Woman™️ in his head to yell about.
So funny how they don’t get that asking for a sexy woman who has no kids only serves to objectify women. But we talk about wanting a man who is attractive to us, has similar interests (like travel), good personality, and we are too picky!
Tbh most women want a tall and a funny guy and we ask for too much??? While they want a damn barbie doll
Oink oink I found the piggy
Nah i’m not insecure or anything i workout a lot so nah i’m anything but not piggy so i have righr so say anything i want :)
Whatever you say tractor tire gut
Tbh saying "I'd just like a sexy woman" is no better than his example of what are supposed to be women's requirements and probably entails at least as many requirements...
Hey, if you want to BE a chooser instead of a beggar, you better DESERVE a chooser instead of a beggar. That’s my advice. Trust, women are equally as exhausted of men who have ridiculously high standards and are not able to bring the same bacon to the table. Even the man who coined the term “high value man”… Is anything but. You don’t get to determine your own value to others. Others decide that for you. Get used to it. And pick from those who pick you. Quit crying about not getting the best. Enough already.
Be short, don’t speak much, have boobs, have ass, don’t have any stomach or body hair, clean the house all by yourself and provide 50% at the same time, never say no to sex(or he might end up cheating), be nice to his friends but not too nice, stay at home while he can party out
I've only ever seen incels use the threat: you're going to die alone
Where did he get this information?! He’s never met a woman in his life. He and women are bigger the South Pole of a Magnet. Far away
I defeated a fake scenario I made up in my head
Social media
Why does it always end with someone dying alone?
Because of their shitty personality
Great now let’s break down what you mean by “sexy” there…
I was poor and skinny. My to be wife had a kid. Married 20+ years
I mean, if your only standard is “sexy + no kids” then don’t kid yourself. So you don’t care about the qualities of your partner as a person? Compatibility? Shared values? And you don’t see that as a problem?
Corporations. Corporations predominantly run by men but still corporations.
Women don’t care about height. Source: I’m 6ft tall.
Has he ever had a conversation with a man??
Shocking that both the women and men's standards are set by men....
He is the literal definition of a neckbeard!!!
I like how other than the 6 pack abs the women’s standards aren’t even that high. Like ohh you want someone stable who will be themselves around you ohhhhhh
For real you want somebody who can take care of you and your family?? How could you wish for that
The women created their beauty standards, obviously there is a certain point where a man isn't going to want a woman, but the standard when it comes to women wanting men is wayyy higher than men wanting a woman, that's fact🤷
Tell me you’re insecure without telling me you’re insecure:
Lol women created beauty standards dumb cunt
Get a life
That’s ur best insult? To reiterate for the women who are slower than men…dumb cunt
And dumb cunt seems to be literally the only one you have. BTW fashion has been a men's game for a long time. It's tailored to the male gaze, and often done so by men. The biggest names in fashion are largely men. Stop being such a willfully ignorant pustule.
Are you sure you she be calling OP by you mom's nick name?
I want a women who just slaps the fuck out of me when i tell her too
Both are super high standards I just want companionship.
So... men should rise standars? I mean, yeah why not?
Women: go on tiktok, Twitter and Facebook drooling over how tall their boyfriend is and how much muscle he has while bullying short men 24/7 365 Also women: “why do men think we all want tall men? It’s the MEN that say it!!”
Don't hold them accountable for their actions now
Women: talk about how they find their partner attractive because thats a normal thing to do You: and I took that personally. Also love the fact that you lump all women into the same category. Did you never consider that the women "drooling over how tall their boyfriend is" might be *different women* than those saying they don't all want tall men? You do realize not all women are the same, right? Or at least you would if you'd ever a conversation with one...
> You do realize not all women are the same, right? A study said 96% of women wouldn’t date a man shorter than them. 96% of them are marginally equal. Tall, dark and handsome has been the standard for decades for a reason “But short men get married all the time!” Ya and men with sever cystic acne get married all the time too. I think women would still prefer if they didn’t have that trait…
Got a link to that study? >Ya and men with sever cystic acne get married all the time too. I think women would still prefer if they didn’t have that trait… Emphasis on the *prefer.* I would prefer that the person I date has red hair, because it is my favourite hair colour. That doesn't prevent me from finding people without red hair attractive, nor does it mean I would never date anyone without red hair, it just means that it's one of my preferences. Also, [here's](https://www.sharecare.com/relationships/study-find-women-prefer-taller-men) one that says 55% of women preferred taller men. Keep in mind, the wording used in the article I'm citing was "preferred". Having a preference for taller men doesn't mean refusing to date short men.
> Got a link to that study? https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886907002814 > Emphasis on the prefer I’m not going to have a fun time in a relationship with a women if I knew she had some sort of tall man fetish. Do you think a woman would like if their partner said “I’d prefer if you had bigger boobs” or “I’d prefer if you lost weight.” Of course not. People want to be desired and not settled for. Humans aren’t robots with the capabilities to ignore those things
To quote from that study: "In the personal ads sample, this norm was more strongly enforced by women than by men: 23% of men compared to only 4% of women would accept a dating relationship where the woman was taller." That's right, the study you cited used data from *fucking dating ads* for the stat you cited. You do realize that dating ads are by no means an actually reasonable representation of how people actually date, right? As for your second point, people are always going to settles in some way for their partners. There's always going to be something about them that you might prefer to be different, because that's how people are. Not perfect. Women obviously wouldn't like it if their partner said “I’d prefer if you had bigger boobs”, because that's a dick thing to say, and out of their control. It's just fucking rude. Your partner will desire you in some ways, and feel as though they are settling in others. That's just how people are.
> You do realize that dating ads are by no means an actually reasonable representation of how people actually date, right? Source? It’s 2023. Most the people I know that are in relationships met in dating apps. It’s the present and future reality of dating. People need to stop acting like tinder, Twitter, tiktok, YouTube etc isn’t “the real world.” It literally *is* the real world. They’re real people with real preferences. They aren’t AI bots or some crap. At least 99% of them aren’t
That study came out in 2008, when dating cites were much less common. The types of people you were most likely to meet there were people who for whatever reason struggled to find a partner in the real world. I wonder what one reason for that could be, perhaps unreasonable requirements? Also, [this](https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/02/06/10-facts-about-americans-and-online-dating/) Pew Research article says that a third of American adults have used dating apps, and that 12% of American adults were in a committed relationship or married to someone they met through dating apps. In other words, most people in relationships did not, in fact, meet through dating apps. Interestingly enough, going back to our earlier conversation about height preferences, that same article states that only 8% of men and 22% of women said height was very important to them. The article does also say that women are more picky than men in all of the categories they listed, with the biggest disparity being occupation, with 8% of men citing it as very important, and 27% of women. The closest category was photos of themselves, with 68% of men and 74% of women citing it as very important.
Well he isn't wrong. But these are mild at best Its like throwing water into an oil fire if you ask them about their bodyweight and/or bodycount. If you really want to make them lose their 💩 😅
Women set beauty standards for women…. Sorry not sorry
Women beauty standard:blonde hair blue eyes(example) Men beauty standard for women: thich thighs,small waist,fat ass,big boobs, full lips,blue eyes, hair black or blonde who would look at the hair if she has nice pair of titties? Must obey me and be a virgin but also a nimfomaniac. If her body count is 1+ she’s a whore and she doesn’t deserve to live She must breathe for me and be clingy but not too clingy because that’s unattractive Cmon bffr
This is skewed but I have to admit that there is a truth in this as hypergamy is indeed a very western culture thing. With that there is a truth behind the observations about house, car and other material values plus a clear observation about peak physical attractiveness. I, for one, am not materialistic and have lived experience of the the financial discrimination that a cis het male can feel at the mercy of a gold digger who wont even have a conversation with you unless you have an iPhone 14 pro plus and are willing to drive them around and perpetuate an empty culture of social media bragging amongst other empty pursuits such as keeping up with the Joneses for validation
Women want someone who has something to bring on the table. Why would i want somebody i have so finacially support? And especially if you’re looking to build a family with that guy. He doesn’t have to pay and do everything but he must bring something to a table
Fuck material wealth. Who says I want to start a family? Make sure to play TLC no scrubs whilst you buy your branded clothes and redo your kitchen you empty bitch
No woman on her right man would be with a man who can’t provide for himself damn i’m not looking for a boy nor a toy get your shit together
Sure, sweetie. Hope you can outrun all those evil golddiggers who are super real.
Thanks a lot. Worship your money all you want shitbag
Do you believe, someone in Thailand will love you, for your character only? It‘s for passport, Western life and better conditions. And men dont choose the shy, average girls, they want stacies with nice bodies, faces and jobs. Or would you settle for a woman which is less attractive just because of her character? Please. Then why all my good looking friends get all the attention, when men choose character over appearance?
It appears there are empty souls of all genders! Character is important to me tbh but for many men it seems that they are driven by attractiveness first which is their loss, I suppose. Lol Stacies x
I have been lurking in Incel forums. I know all the terms. Men call other men „betabuxxers“ but want mail order brides, which choose them for money and passport. Some men are walking oxymorons. My attractive girlfriends get all the gifts and souvenirs at work, she is pretty, most men which buy her stuff, dont know her. And those are not a „few“. Attractive women are treated better by men. Not we are setting the standards. It goes both ways. Lookism applies for both genders.