Vrc doesn't care if people are underage, mainly because it bolsters their user counts. If they banned everyone under 13 they'd lose about 30% of their playerbase
Well somethings got to give and I’m seriously not gonna let 7 year olds win vrc shouldn’t be raising your kids let them go to metaverse or something vrc has a lot more adult themes 3 of my characters I own have nsfw features I’m not flaunting there bird around in public but it makes me feel weird that there are 6-7year olds freely roaming
Oh I whole heartedly agree there is a major issue here and they need to get people under 13 out if not an older age limit, but the devs don't really care about anything but money, it started as a passion project but now is just a cash cow for them
Oh absolutely, i agree. That was my intention. I don't like bullying others because I was once bullied nearly to suicide, but in VRChat I can justify for their own protection.
My groups even non vr groups are 15+, my rule is if you are underage and act responsibly and are not a fool and mess around. I don’t care you can stay. I am a very kind owner and I don’t like removing people unless it’s for a real reason. If you pull me into an issue I am for sure going to deal with it through.
You can tell they don't really care about it as they literally don't even have an option for reporting underage users, despite the fact it's illegal for them to be on their platform (as in, VRC isn't legally allowed to host them).
The other day I saw some guys with hitler and kkk avatars. They started shouting the n word at me as soon as they noticed I was there. It’s pathetic, and honestly kinda sad.
joined a movies and chill public instance and found 8 dudes watching gay furry pron and having a normal conversation, the worst thing is it didn't really even phase me
It's like our parents in 2013 getting us GTA V because it's the cool hot new game and we're 11 but they get us it anyway, then we turn out to know about a lot of bad stuff that our age shouldn't know of
Honestly, I think there's a big difference between VR and Flatscreen gaming.
With VR you form memories as if you were actually *there*. With flatscreen, you remember playing a game. I don't mean to sound like some Fox News videogames-did-collumbine type, but i genuinely thing it's possible to start loosing your grip on reality with VR. That's almost the entire point, after all. It should definately not be available to under 13's or maybe under 16's for this reason imo.
And besides, GTA V has hookers and drugs and murder but it's all gameified and it comes from NPC's. VRC has all that, but it comes from real people, and it's not gameified at all.
Oh yeah those are good points. Children under 14 are less likely to remember it's a game instead of reality with real people, or don't care about the other people's feelings and might visit "bad places" on purpose
Its not blame, but, if the parents arent the ones doing the parenting, ya gotta at least step in and be like “look, you don’t belong here, and we can’t just throw our arms up and go ‘well, the parents aren’t being responsible so I’ll just be whacky and if you see it its their fault.’ We gotta ask you to go.”
The parents arent gunna be on here…all they can do is point at the problem. Not the root. The root won’t listen…they can’t even take care of their kids.
i see people suggest this all the time. how would you even enforce that? 18+, sure. but 16? how many 16 year olds have an ID? how in the world would you prove someone's age like that?
if you grow up in the suburbs, ok. i grew up in the city, and no one i went to school with had a license because there was no reason to. I'm sure some kids gets them in the city, but most don't because it would be a waste of money.
hmm, I hadn't considered the financial side of it given the driving course was included in school and it was only like 16 bucks to get the actual license when you finished the course, I also wouldn't be apposed to them making it 18+ either beyond the fact I am pretty sure most my friends would be banned
No way to be enforced, it's the internet in general. You ever tried accessing porn while being underage? It's so easy to fake your age. It cannot be regulated
I dont know what a cally is but im gonna just assume nsfw brush boy avatar....
The level of creepyness ive seen on vr and the ammount of ppl that do nothing about it is revolting.
It definitely is, VRChat will kick you out if you put in a birthday lower than 13 yo during registration
Of course, kids lie, and their parents do not pay attention
At this rate VRChat will be forced to ask people for IDs from everyone, at which point I will find out how to get a fake ID, because I will be damned before I hand some random company my ID online
liquor can physically harm the person or others, it's the person's fault, not the store's. kids being toxic or learning about adult topics early is a result of bad parenting, nobody actually physically gets hurt so it would be the parent's responsibility, not the dev's.
Can you prove that this game has hurt that child, answer no you can't because online uses are not controlled or monitored. Can you prove that beer has hurt that child, yes because the alcohol has destiny some brain cells and may delay certain functions. Or vrchat deals with the mind an organ we barely understand, alcohol can be linked to dangerous side effects in kids.
VRC can absolutely ask for ID, they could even not allow non-verified users. However it would be a right pain in the ass to do so and basically suicide as a company, due to how high that sets the barrier to entry.
Idk why people keep thinking this is some huge issue. There are 3rd party services that verify ID, Adobe uses it for student licenses. VRC doesn't see any of that data, all they'd see is an API response saying "this UUID is over 18" or "this UUID is under 18". Similar to how biometrics work on phones. The OS never sees the actual biometric data, only the Authenticator does, all the OS sees is "unlock" or "don't unlock" and a bit of decryption info.
yep, implementing it is entirely possible, doable, and even viable.
It would also absolutely fuck them, and would basically hand the market to Neos or CVR, so they'd never do it.
You don't make it required, you make it optional, but also allow instance creators to mark instances as 18+
IMVU has something similar, so does second life iirc
that wouldn't stop kids in VR, and it wouldn't stop people being creepy towards kids.
However, if they did this and then allowed all NSFW stuff in 18+ instances (and had a clearly marked "this is an 18+ instance, are you sure you want to join?" prompt when you try to enter one (ideally that can be dissabled in the settings), and icons on portals and worlds in lists)... I would 110% support that. It would allow the NSFW stuff that we all know happens behind closed doors that they want to pretend doesn't, while keeping under 18's safe and allowing that stuff to be strictly segregated. A little "verified adult" badge on your name that you can't remove would also probably be a good thing.
Second Life shut down their ID verification years ago because it was ineffective, expensive, and users complained that it was invasive.
[All they have now is a simple "are you 18?" check based off your birthday, along with a setting in the viewer.](https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/age-restricted-content-r4/)
i have been on this subreddit for only a few weeks and have seen this thread maybe 7 times???
most of the people posting haven't spent time on other platforms and are just saying things they'ev been told by other clueless people in VRC.
Every single thing mentioned to 'solve' the problem has been tried (and failed) in other social apps over the years. it's just that most people in this thread are too young to have spent a lot of time in online communities so they just think that vrc is unique in its problems
I've been lurking for a loooong time and only recently started posting. It's a very common thread. Your observations are correct.
Lots of people have ideas that many others have had, and sometimes implemented, and almost always failed. Outrage and panic fuels people into frantically suggesting solutions that are short-sighted and unresearched.
I don't think any solution exists that doesn't involve parents learning how to pay attention to what they're handing their children.
People give their IDs to Adobe because it means saving hundreds or thousands of dollars, depending. you are out of your mind if you think vrc's users are going to give their ids to a company to get into vrchat worlds or whatever. do you remember eac???
Exact same shit as the VRC SDK having checkboxes for "this model is NSFW" when you upload an avatar and if you select that it just doesn't let you upload it, and then you just try again and don't select it.
Nnnno.
Let's assume a perfect method of safely identifying age: you simply flag the account as permanently banned or suspended and it is treated the same as a ban. not permitted to connect to the service.
Oh. Sure, if you modify the application to automatically submit a valid age, that works.
But you're still lying, at that point. And running non-VRChat code, so here be dragons.
I agree. If a "Are you 18?" checkbox is good enough for a site you can access on any device by typing a URL, then it's good enough for such a high friction application like social VR
saw an 8 year old once giggling because a girl was letting them pull their physbone naked avi's nipples and the ppl around them are just giggling
THIS SHIT ISNT NORMAL AND SHOULDNT BE OK!- may be VR but if I ran up to a kid in a park and flashed em you think the parents or locals would just laugh or carry on?
One reason i hate vrchat immmmmensely is because the level of creepy- at times pedophilic shit that happens there that never gets adressed.
Always brought up within the community, the devs only speak of it in private because they claim to not have a solution when we could obviously have an age verification process.
Man I had some 10 year old kid trying to insult me (cause I'm a furry in a horse avatar) and I was just sitting there vibing ignoring them when this kid threatened to "rape me till I listened" I don't think the kid even knows what that means, luckily the block button is my friend -
In my personal opinion; most of the kids who play vr use the quest 2 which has parental controls. The parents should have informed themselves about vr games and the vr community beforehand. If they still got the headset after researching, cool that’s fine. Just use the damn parental controls to keep your kids off VRChat specifically. Most other games are fine for your kid but VRChat is a huge no no for kids.
Honestly the problem is 1 parents don't give a crap and see kid wants "head set" to play games is told it's a console not extra hardware buys for kid than sets up the thing with games, vrchat is free so I don't believe it asks for anything
Honestly mass reporting kids is kinda shitty. Only report that one’s being little shits and not the ones that happen to be in the same room but not doing anything wrong. If we bully them, less and less kids are gonna admit to their age but continue to try and get into adult spaces
My friends and I have a motto. "We aren't responsible for children in VRChat, but we are responsible for our own actions in front of them. Be careful." Can't really get rid of all of the kids, but we can at least help minimize their exposure to harmful content. They'll still run into that content, but you won't be the one to expose them to it.
No their parents are probably divorced and their dad is asleep on the couch drunk, because I've never seen one of these kids get told to get off by their parents
For real, they'll be saying the most vulgar shit so fucking loudly and never get yelled at. Its really unfortunate that their parent wont step in and stop it. Meta/oculus/Facebook had a thing that said to monitor the children in VR through the app before they outright banned them altogether.
Age gating content has been a struggle since the dawn of the internet. The VRChat team isn't going to come up with some magical solution that (a) won't simply be bypassed and (b) won't be an invasion of privacy. It's on the parents, but good luck trying to get them to take an active role in managing their child's access.
The devs dont care enough to do anything about it.
Parents are too dumb to care about what their kids do on VR.
If you the reader wanna change things do it strongly but kindly. Theyre kids after all.
Also if you see ppl being creepy to kids please report their accounts and if needed - er if able, authorities. Seeing a dude try to erp with a 8 year old giving them nude avatars or shit isnt ok, and i wish ppl around that would do more than "Not my problem gonna ignore it"
may be VR but ffs no wonder ppl film instead of acting when bad shit happens irl, ppl are shameless enough to let creepy pedo shyte online happen bc its easy.
i guess i offended ppl who think everything on vrc is hunky dorey- er think everythings fine. its not rampent but predators are findable if you look hard enough or in some case barely at all. Sadly ppl are right just devs not doing enough but ppl gotta report it more and publicly speak up when they see it like if it was real life you know?
i know ppl do but not enough - blegh anyways 1am sorry ramblin.
"Devs don't care...” they do care, they just can’t do much about it.
There just is no way to implement that, it will be bypassed the same way you can with age verification on porn sites. Asking for ID verification is an invasion of privacy.
VRC is no different than the internet in that aspect.
This is the same for milsim , I am an awe how many groups have fucking 14 year olds in there groups simply because some idiot made a rule that said ***if you act your age you can be in an adult video game***
Arma is the new modern warfare 2...
yet somehow remarkedly even worse.. my advice to the people in this thread. never do milsim , it's never cracked up to what it is and is full of mentally unstable godmodding neckbeards
Easy temporary solution: Block, disable voice and hide their avatar in mass until they leave. It's hard to disturb other people when 100% of the playerbase has you blocked. At that point, they'll have no one to interact with except each other-- as it should've been in the first place.
Another idea: A user-generated, user-managed blacklist of problematic accounts. Some basic core reasons could include "account used by preteen", "intentionally toxic behavior", "annoying behavior" and anything else.
People could create their own mass blacklists or whitelists, kind of like Adblock filters but for avoiding obnoxious gremlins. I vote we call the first ever list "KidBlock".
Technically VR isn't 13+. It's just that making an account for Oculus specifically, and being allowed by the "rules" to play VRChat, does require you to be 13+
IIRC correctly there have been some small studies that showed VR use in children may cause development issues, so even if it's not technically 13+, it's probably not a great idea to buy an 8 year old a quest 2.
Also, because all Oculus/Meta VR systems are [not meant for children under the of 13](https://www.oculus.com/safety-center/#:~:text=Designed%20for%20Age%2013%2B,or%20use%20Meta%20VR%20Systems), like 70% of VR systems are 13+.
Oh I agree with that. <13 year olds should not be in VR. But there's no law against it yet, so a lot of people don't care or don't know about the potential problems.
As for like 70% being 13+, if that's indeed the market share of oculus devices, then sure...but still not the general "VR".
Second part of VRchat TOS:
“2. Eligibility
You must be at least 13 years of age to use the Platform.”
Only takes two scrolls of a mouse wheel to see it
https://hello.vrchat.com/legal
I mean part of the reason why VR stuff is not for kids is there is actually scientific proof that it's not good for them necessarily it can affect how their brains develop
Depends on what you're definition of trolling is. If it (like another guy said, spamming missile at the child in test pilots)is harmless, then it's fine. But definitely do not be mean, rude, saying bad things, yelling at them. It's not 100% they're fault, some blame needs to go to their absent parents. Have you ever heard one of them getting yelled at after saying racial slurs? No, because their parents don't care.
No I nothing like that. I’m evil not a monster but no what I do is I get a very small avatar and go onto murder mystery and chase them small with a knife
I hate having kids all of my lewd vrchat skins get banned because kids like going nude in public lobs the only age people can start using that stuff is 13
My go-to is usually just crashing them, usually pretty easy to avoid crashing the of-age users since most are on PC or PCVR and most of the squeakers are on Quest
I'm aware it's against ToS, if anything though, it's doing everyone a favor, surprisingly, people are more often than not grateful at the fact the children just "disappeared", another thing to take into account is the fact that half the children that are on VRChat in the first place, are on there as a result of their parents failing to monitor their online activity, most of the parents get their kids a Quest as a way to basically say "here, go occupy yourself so I don't have to deal with you right now" which reflects the parents lack of interest in protecting their children from the online world or really giving them attention in general (I'm aware this isn't the case 100% of the time, but usually it is) and there's many I've discussed this with that say the same thing, against ToS or not, half of them are going against ToS being on there at the age they are, and yes, I'm also aware two wrongs don't make a right if you were gonna bring up that argument as well. In addition, the VRChat team hardly cares any more than the parents do, they hardly even care about their community as a whole actually and many past actions/lack of actions have reflected this.
I agree fully that people can be grateful seeing kids gone and it’s fully on the negligence of the parents and vrchat for not cracking down on this. Just I wouldn’t admit to crashing people on a public form. It’s not something you sadly need to feel like you have to do, to stop these kids from playing. I really do hope vrchat sorts this shit
Fair point, in all reality it really should be left to those who are 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 responsible for handling their online activity, maybe the VRChat Dev/Moderation team will get their shit together one of these days
Kids are one of the biggest reasons I typically avoid public lobbies in VRC. I have a tight-knit group of friends I get in vrc with, and maybe I'll hit up a world in a group I'm in, but the moment I hear an 17- voice I want nothing more than to leave.
It’s nothing wrong with the kids, is the parents. Parents need to focus on monitoring their kids and vrchat’s team needs to deal with working on preventing more kids under 13 playing
No it’s not a bad thing but it is bad when a parent isn’t monitoring and their kid is seeing the more adult and dark side of the platform. No kid deserves to see that
It's not even like 13 is that old when you think about it. So yeah.... It really needs a way to enforce this. They COULD have a client that's 13 and younger for them i dunno
if only vrc would uphold their entire TOS instead of picking and choosing random things to inconvenience people, maybe even just give us an option to say "underaged" as a reason for reporting a player
The ones I've met (excluding a few) have been remarkably "sane" and actually held fairly decent skyrim npc conversations, meeting a kid is like playing Russian roulette : you either get a okay/alright or a tier 5 crack head that inhaled 5 propane tanks of helium
Bro I play on quest 2 and tbh one of the main reasons I want to switch is because of the children that use quest 2, and I hate the quest kids that think I’m a child when I’m muted
I started vrchat at like 10 but I'm not like all those others, I'm more mature as litterally everyone else my age that I meet, I don't annoy everyone or crash worlds, and I don't care about all those nsfw avatars cause I discovered all that type of shit at a way too young age so I just ignore them or block them if they are being annoying af, if there are kids like 8 or really young still, that annoy the shit out of everyone and are crashers or any of those other type of annoying childish behaviors I will just report them and block them. I'm 12 now and haven't played vrchat for over a year cause my vr controller fucked up and it's been a bit hard to get one but that aside, hopefully vrchat won't be as bad as it was before my controller shit itself🤞
We should just start mass reporting and kicking kids
already do
Vrc doesn't care if people are underage, mainly because it bolsters their user counts. If they banned everyone under 13 they'd lose about 30% of their playerbase
So be it they don’t give a shit anyway about the player base
they don't care about the people or keeping them happy but they do care about the numbers
Well somethings got to give and I’m seriously not gonna let 7 year olds win vrc shouldn’t be raising your kids let them go to metaverse or something vrc has a lot more adult themes 3 of my characters I own have nsfw features I’m not flaunting there bird around in public but it makes me feel weird that there are 6-7year olds freely roaming
Oh I whole heartedly agree there is a major issue here and they need to get people under 13 out if not an older age limit, but the devs don't really care about anything but money, it started as a passion project but now is just a cash cow for them
probably more like 50%
Instructions unclear, sent an 8-year-old into orbit
That works just as well
I hate myself for it, but I actively tried to bully a kid off the game a week ago.
Good your a hero
A reluctant hero, maybe. It's not in my nature to bully others. In this case, it was for his own good.
Think of this way you are protecting them from actual harm like groomers and pedos and keeping the intended audience happy
Oh absolutely, i agree. That was my intention. I don't like bullying others because I was once bullied nearly to suicide, but in VRChat I can justify for their own protection.
\*you're
I’ve sorrie eye have failed two sea you’re issue
Thats what i do
Don’t want any stitches so I can’t
But how do you know their kids for sure? I'm 27 but get mistaken for a little boy, all the fucking time. Doesn't matter the game.
Kids don’t act or have the same mannerisms at all of someone 13 and up and honestly 13 up is still too young
I'm not debating that at all lol. I just wanted to know, how you can be for sure it's a kid?
My groups even non vr groups are 15+, my rule is if you are underage and act responsibly and are not a fool and mess around. I don’t care you can stay. I am a very kind owner and I don’t like removing people unless it’s for a real reason. If you pull me into an issue I am for sure going to deal with it through.
You can tell they don't really care about it as they literally don't even have an option for reporting underage users, despite the fact it's illegal for them to be on their platform (as in, VRC isn't legally allowed to host them).
Vrchat is not a good place for kids
also not good for your mental heaht- EYYYYY BADA BING- but yeah alot of fucked up stuff ive seen on that app platform game ... thing hmm
It’s true bro every time I get into vrchat again it fucks me up
went to the femboy hooters world a few times. saw stuff like furries whipping out their horse dicks and a literal orgy
Woah wtf?
ive also seen people spewing hate speech and calling it a joke fuck off with that crap
Yeah I've noticed that shit too
we can at least report them for it
The other day I saw some guys with hitler and kkk avatars. They started shouting the n word at me as soon as they noticed I was there. It’s pathetic, and honestly kinda sad.
i saw some guys with avatars ripped from the wolfenstein games that were spewing lots of nasty shit ironically you kill nazis in that game
In a public world?
yes
Interesting
Bruh they need to touch grass fr
joined a movies and chill public instance and found 8 dudes watching gay furry pron and having a normal conversation, the worst thing is it didn't really even phase me
I've seen quite a few people with nsfw avatars in non nsfw worlds, big red flag for kids
Right, bro ive seen a 5 year old with an nsfw Avis in public
tbf are we really blamming kids for the fualt of there parents? sure they dont belong but the true poeple that need to be blamed is the parents
It's like our parents in 2013 getting us GTA V because it's the cool hot new game and we're 11 but they get us it anyway, then we turn out to know about a lot of bad stuff that our age shouldn't know of
Honestly, I think there's a big difference between VR and Flatscreen gaming. With VR you form memories as if you were actually *there*. With flatscreen, you remember playing a game. I don't mean to sound like some Fox News videogames-did-collumbine type, but i genuinely thing it's possible to start loosing your grip on reality with VR. That's almost the entire point, after all. It should definately not be available to under 13's or maybe under 16's for this reason imo. And besides, GTA V has hookers and drugs and murder but it's all gameified and it comes from NPC's. VRC has all that, but it comes from real people, and it's not gameified at all.
I see what you mean
Oh yeah those are good points. Children under 14 are less likely to remember it's a game instead of reality with real people, or don't care about the other people's feelings and might visit "bad places" on purpose
Most sane mirror dweller:
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Its not blame, but, if the parents arent the ones doing the parenting, ya gotta at least step in and be like “look, you don’t belong here, and we can’t just throw our arms up and go ‘well, the parents aren’t being responsible so I’ll just be whacky and if you see it its their fault.’ We gotta ask you to go.”
The parents arent gunna be on here…all they can do is point at the problem. Not the root. The root won’t listen…they can’t even take care of their kids.
My opinion VRChat should be 16+, but I digress.
i see people suggest this all the time. how would you even enforce that? 18+, sure. but 16? how many 16 year olds have an ID? how in the world would you prove someone's age like that?
Ask them how they do their taxes
Hang on , that'll exclude most European adults , where your employer processes your tax as part of your wages. It'll just leave accountants.
That is an answer tho...
Birth certificate
most people would see that as a breach of privacy. this just stupid
Have you seen how this community handles significant change?
people are not going to willingly hand over this lol
the 16+ rule is not enforcable for the same reason there are squeaker playing gta5 and cod despite the games being 18+ (for adults)
most 16 year olds I know have at least a learners permit if not a license to use as ID
if you grow up in the suburbs, ok. i grew up in the city, and no one i went to school with had a license because there was no reason to. I'm sure some kids gets them in the city, but most don't because it would be a waste of money.
hmm, I hadn't considered the financial side of it given the driving course was included in school and it was only like 16 bucks to get the actual license when you finished the course, I also wouldn't be apposed to them making it 18+ either beyond the fact I am pretty sure most my friends would be banned
In the US, several.
How do they enforce that people are 13+ now?
No way to be enforced, it's the internet in general. You ever tried accessing porn while being underage? It's so easy to fake your age. It cannot be regulated
Unless if your friend just wants to spend time you can just go to a private instance but still 13+
I once met an 8 year old using one of those cally3d avatars
I dont know what a cally is but im gonna just assume nsfw brush boy avatar.... The level of creepyness ive seen on vr and the ammount of ppl that do nothing about it is revolting.
Cally3D essentially created a second Five Nights In Anime but even hornier and people put its models in VRC. Very thicc.
Oh is that that wierd anime ultra thick chica avatar I see every now and again
Yes
ohhhhh
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It definitely is, VRChat will kick you out if you put in a birthday lower than 13 yo during registration Of course, kids lie, and their parents do not pay attention At this rate VRChat will be forced to ask people for IDs from everyone, at which point I will find out how to get a fake ID, because I will be damned before I hand some random company my ID online
invasion of privacy laws, they will never be able to ask for ID sadly
Wait, if liquor stores can freely ask for it, why couldn't other companies?
liquor can physically harm the person or others, it's the person's fault, not the store's. kids being toxic or learning about adult topics early is a result of bad parenting, nobody actually physically gets hurt so it would be the parent's responsibility, not the dev's.
That's a good statement, one i agree with, but i'm afraid that doesn't really answer my question.
Can you prove that this game has hurt that child, answer no you can't because online uses are not controlled or monitored. Can you prove that beer has hurt that child, yes because the alcohol has destiny some brain cells and may delay certain functions. Or vrchat deals with the mind an organ we barely understand, alcohol can be linked to dangerous side effects in kids.
VRC can absolutely ask for ID, they could even not allow non-verified users. However it would be a right pain in the ass to do so and basically suicide as a company, due to how high that sets the barrier to entry.
Idk why people keep thinking this is some huge issue. There are 3rd party services that verify ID, Adobe uses it for student licenses. VRC doesn't see any of that data, all they'd see is an API response saying "this UUID is over 18" or "this UUID is under 18". Similar to how biometrics work on phones. The OS never sees the actual biometric data, only the Authenticator does, all the OS sees is "unlock" or "don't unlock" and a bit of decryption info.
yep, implementing it is entirely possible, doable, and even viable. It would also absolutely fuck them, and would basically hand the market to Neos or CVR, so they'd never do it.
You don't make it required, you make it optional, but also allow instance creators to mark instances as 18+ IMVU has something similar, so does second life iirc
that wouldn't stop kids in VR, and it wouldn't stop people being creepy towards kids. However, if they did this and then allowed all NSFW stuff in 18+ instances (and had a clearly marked "this is an 18+ instance, are you sure you want to join?" prompt when you try to enter one (ideally that can be dissabled in the settings), and icons on portals and worlds in lists)... I would 110% support that. It would allow the NSFW stuff that we all know happens behind closed doors that they want to pretend doesn't, while keeping under 18's safe and allowing that stuff to be strictly segregated. A little "verified adult" badge on your name that you can't remove would also probably be a good thing.
Second Life shut down their ID verification years ago because it was ineffective, expensive, and users complained that it was invasive. [All they have now is a simple "are you 18?" check based off your birthday, along with a setting in the viewer.](https://community.secondlife.com/knowledgebase/english/age-restricted-content-r4/)
i have been on this subreddit for only a few weeks and have seen this thread maybe 7 times??? most of the people posting haven't spent time on other platforms and are just saying things they'ev been told by other clueless people in VRC. Every single thing mentioned to 'solve' the problem has been tried (and failed) in other social apps over the years. it's just that most people in this thread are too young to have spent a lot of time in online communities so they just think that vrc is unique in its problems
I've been lurking for a loooong time and only recently started posting. It's a very common thread. Your observations are correct. Lots of people have ideas that many others have had, and sometimes implemented, and almost always failed. Outrage and panic fuels people into frantically suggesting solutions that are short-sighted and unresearched. I don't think any solution exists that doesn't involve parents learning how to pay attention to what they're handing their children.
People give their IDs to Adobe because it means saving hundreds or thousands of dollars, depending. you are out of your mind if you think vrc's users are going to give their ids to a company to get into vrchat worlds or whatever. do you remember eac???
Isn't this how roblox verifies your age for voice chat?
Exact same shit as the VRC SDK having checkboxes for "this model is NSFW" when you upload an avatar and if you select that it just doesn't let you upload it, and then you just try again and don't select it.
That checkbox has been around since before I started playing, and I started playing quite early. :)
I find it really funny, because it's basically the "this sign can't stop me" meme
Yes, that's a very fitting one lol
You can just get a client or whatever to get around it btw
Nnnno. Let's assume a perfect method of safely identifying age: you simply flag the account as permanently banned or suspended and it is treated the same as a ban. not permitted to connect to the service.
...I was talking about faking your age, hence why I replied to that and not the post
Oh. Sure, if you modify the application to automatically submit a valid age, that works. But you're still lying, at that point. And running non-VRChat code, so here be dragons.
It's no different than lying about your age on porn sites. They won't regulate it nor can you expect them to do so
I agree. If a "Are you 18?" checkbox is good enough for a site you can access on any device by typing a URL, then it's good enough for such a high friction application like social VR
I was 11 and playing M rated games. Recommended age ratings don't, and never will, do shit
If they want to keep the game 13+, some platform level way of seperating adults and children will be needed.
I saw a 10 year with an erp avatar last night
saw an 8 year old once giggling because a girl was letting them pull their physbone naked avi's nipples and the ppl around them are just giggling THIS SHIT ISNT NORMAL AND SHOULDNT BE OK!- may be VR but if I ran up to a kid in a park and flashed em you think the parents or locals would just laugh or carry on? One reason i hate vrchat immmmmensely is because the level of creepy- at times pedophilic shit that happens there that never gets adressed.
Always brought up within the community, the devs only speak of it in private because they claim to not have a solution when we could obviously have an age verification process.
It should be 18+ from what I've seen
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13 plus is still a kid
At least they are in high school by that age
Still tho, that’s a kid however I am 24 and even some of the 20 year olds I meet are still kids to me
In the long run I'd say people aren't particularly mature until about 25.
Psychically yes, mentally debatable I think different people can be more “grown then others” however doesn’t mean vrchat should be place for kidd
Man I had some 10 year old kid trying to insult me (cause I'm a furry in a horse avatar) and I was just sitting there vibing ignoring them when this kid threatened to "rape me till I listened" I don't think the kid even knows what that means, luckily the block button is my friend -
First hella sorry for you and second Jesus Christ that kid is being exposed to shit they shouldn’t and their parents need to sort that out quick
I know right I was just dumbfounded cause usually I just ignore them or mute them but this one was just a yikes moment
More like 16+
In my personal opinion; most of the kids who play vr use the quest 2 which has parental controls. The parents should have informed themselves about vr games and the vr community beforehand. If they still got the headset after researching, cool that’s fine. Just use the damn parental controls to keep your kids off VRChat specifically. Most other games are fine for your kid but VRChat is a huge no no for kids.
Honestly the problem is 1 parents don't give a crap and see kid wants "head set" to play games is told it's a console not extra hardware buys for kid than sets up the thing with games, vrchat is free so I don't believe it asks for anything
If it's not hoards of children, the crashers are starting to get bad again
They should go play recroom it's more suitable for them
Honestly mass reporting kids is kinda shitty. Only report that one’s being little shits and not the ones that happen to be in the same room but not doing anything wrong. If we bully them, less and less kids are gonna admit to their age but continue to try and get into adult spaces
My friends and I have a motto. "We aren't responsible for children in VRChat, but we are responsible for our own actions in front of them. Be careful." Can't really get rid of all of the kids, but we can at least help minimize their exposure to harmful content. They'll still run into that content, but you won't be the one to expose them to it.
THIS! This is the mindset I use for this too! It’s up to us as adults to make sure they don’t get exposed to harmful content along with their parents
That's when you bully them
Bullied a kid off the Test Pilots world a few days ago. Never said anything, just harassed him with missiles until he ragequit.
Doing the lords work 😎
bully them until you hear the parents in the background 😭
No their parents are probably divorced and their dad is asleep on the couch drunk, because I've never seen one of these kids get told to get off by their parents
For real, they'll be saying the most vulgar shit so fucking loudly and never get yelled at. Its really unfortunate that their parent wont step in and stop it. Meta/oculus/Facebook had a thing that said to monitor the children in VR through the app before they outright banned them altogether.
Broskis I have to say Christmas has been the bane of all our time in vrc
Age gating content has been a struggle since the dawn of the internet. The VRChat team isn't going to come up with some magical solution that (a) won't simply be bypassed and (b) won't be an invasion of privacy. It's on the parents, but good luck trying to get them to take an active role in managing their child's access.
Kids can play in VR all they want. It’s VRchat that they shouldn’t be on. It’s should be 18+. But ig numbers and corporate are more important…
My favorite thing do do is bully kids in Onward that go into competitive lobbies, since you can’t get banned
13+ for VR overall for health and brain development reasons. But it should be 18+ for vrc.
I normally block or mute them Last time I did it the kid was a broken record
The devs dont care enough to do anything about it. Parents are too dumb to care about what their kids do on VR. If you the reader wanna change things do it strongly but kindly. Theyre kids after all. Also if you see ppl being creepy to kids please report their accounts and if needed - er if able, authorities. Seeing a dude try to erp with a 8 year old giving them nude avatars or shit isnt ok, and i wish ppl around that would do more than "Not my problem gonna ignore it" may be VR but ffs no wonder ppl film instead of acting when bad shit happens irl, ppl are shameless enough to let creepy pedo shyte online happen bc its easy.
Why are you booing him he's right
i guess i offended ppl who think everything on vrc is hunky dorey- er think everythings fine. its not rampent but predators are findable if you look hard enough or in some case barely at all. Sadly ppl are right just devs not doing enough but ppl gotta report it more and publicly speak up when they see it like if it was real life you know? i know ppl do but not enough - blegh anyways 1am sorry ramblin.
Bro who downvoted this
"Devs don't care...” they do care, they just can’t do much about it. There just is no way to implement that, it will be bypassed the same way you can with age verification on porn sites. Asking for ID verification is an invasion of privacy. VRC is no different than the internet in that aspect.
Thing is, it’s not their fault and there’s next to nothing they can do about it.
This is the same for milsim , I am an awe how many groups have fucking 14 year olds in there groups simply because some idiot made a rule that said ***if you act your age you can be in an adult video game*** Arma is the new modern warfare 2... yet somehow remarkedly even worse.. my advice to the people in this thread. never do milsim , it's never cracked up to what it is and is full of mentally unstable godmodding neckbeards
Easy temporary solution: Block, disable voice and hide their avatar in mass until they leave. It's hard to disturb other people when 100% of the playerbase has you blocked. At that point, they'll have no one to interact with except each other-- as it should've been in the first place. Another idea: A user-generated, user-managed blacklist of problematic accounts. Some basic core reasons could include "account used by preteen", "intentionally toxic behavior", "annoying behavior" and anything else. People could create their own mass blacklists or whitelists, kind of like Adblock filters but for avoiding obnoxious gremlins. I vote we call the first ever list "KidBlock".
Blame the brain dead parents that gift their 12, 13 annoying lil’ fucks a fucking vr headset.
Well, I’m safe then.
Vrchat is only for people who get a superiority complex over bullying kids and furrys. Not kids, that’s why I quit.
Technically VR isn't 13+. It's just that making an account for Oculus specifically, and being allowed by the "rules" to play VRChat, does require you to be 13+
IIRC correctly there have been some small studies that showed VR use in children may cause development issues, so even if it's not technically 13+, it's probably not a great idea to buy an 8 year old a quest 2. Also, because all Oculus/Meta VR systems are [not meant for children under the of 13](https://www.oculus.com/safety-center/#:~:text=Designed%20for%20Age%2013%2B,or%20use%20Meta%20VR%20Systems), like 70% of VR systems are 13+.
Oh I agree with that. <13 year olds should not be in VR. But there's no law against it yet, so a lot of people don't care or don't know about the potential problems. As for like 70% being 13+, if that's indeed the market share of oculus devices, then sure...but still not the general "VR".
Second part of VRchat TOS: “2. Eligibility You must be at least 13 years of age to use the Platform.” Only takes two scrolls of a mouse wheel to see it https://hello.vrchat.com/legal
I mean part of the reason why VR stuff is not for kids is there is actually scientific proof that it's not good for them necessarily it can affect how their brains develop
VRchat is one of the worst games they could play in terms of VR because of it's community.
The original post, and the comment you replied to, said "VR." VR /= VRC
You... And apparently over a dozen other people, are bad at reading it seems...
VR is for everyone. VRChat is for 13+. There is games for kids that use VR. If we are to blame anyone it’s the parents which aren’t monitoring them
Yeah well I enjoy trolling the hell out of them
Depends on what you're definition of trolling is. If it (like another guy said, spamming missile at the child in test pilots)is harmless, then it's fine. But definitely do not be mean, rude, saying bad things, yelling at them. It's not 100% they're fault, some blame needs to go to their absent parents. Have you ever heard one of them getting yelled at after saying racial slurs? No, because their parents don't care.
No I nothing like that. I’m evil not a monster but no what I do is I get a very small avatar and go onto murder mystery and chase them small with a knife
I hate having kids all of my lewd vrchat skins get banned because kids like going nude in public lobs the only age people can start using that stuff is 13
Upload your own lewd avs instead of relying on publics.
My go-to is usually just crashing them, usually pretty easy to avoid crashing the of-age users since most are on PC or PCVR and most of the squeakers are on Quest
That’s fully against TOS though. You shouldn’t be having to do that for any reason. It’s up to the parents and vrchat team to deal with
I'm aware it's against ToS, if anything though, it's doing everyone a favor, surprisingly, people are more often than not grateful at the fact the children just "disappeared", another thing to take into account is the fact that half the children that are on VRChat in the first place, are on there as a result of their parents failing to monitor their online activity, most of the parents get their kids a Quest as a way to basically say "here, go occupy yourself so I don't have to deal with you right now" which reflects the parents lack of interest in protecting their children from the online world or really giving them attention in general (I'm aware this isn't the case 100% of the time, but usually it is) and there's many I've discussed this with that say the same thing, against ToS or not, half of them are going against ToS being on there at the age they are, and yes, I'm also aware two wrongs don't make a right if you were gonna bring up that argument as well. In addition, the VRChat team hardly cares any more than the parents do, they hardly even care about their community as a whole actually and many past actions/lack of actions have reflected this.
I agree fully that people can be grateful seeing kids gone and it’s fully on the negligence of the parents and vrchat for not cracking down on this. Just I wouldn’t admit to crashing people on a public form. It’s not something you sadly need to feel like you have to do, to stop these kids from playing. I really do hope vrchat sorts this shit
Fair point, in all reality it really should be left to those who are 𝙖𝙘𝙩𝙪𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙮 responsible for handling their online activity, maybe the VRChat Dev/Moderation team will get their shit together one of these days
I really hope so since we can all agree this is a huge problem
Absolutely, the amount of children in VRChat recently has only seemed to increase with time, it's problematic for everyone
>When I sit up at the Pokerstars table and there are literal 11 year olds there
Kids are one of the biggest reasons I typically avoid public lobbies in VRC. I have a tight-knit group of friends I get in vrc with, and maybe I'll hit up a world in a group I'm in, but the moment I hear an 17- voice I want nothing more than to leave.
As I commented on that post, I like fucking with children. No context
What is really needed is 18+ verification. Set a time limit on unverified people
Yeah for 18 + games
Well vrchat is 18+
the ToS currently states otherwise. and even if it did change, that’s not gonna stop them anyways
What bad about them?
It’s nothing wrong with the kids, is the parents. Parents need to focus on monitoring their kids and vrchat’s team needs to deal with working on preventing more kids under 13 playing
So letting your kid play a bit vr chat is bad? What's the problem. I dint play it so idk
No it’s not a bad thing but it is bad when a parent isn’t monitoring and their kid is seeing the more adult and dark side of the platform. No kid deserves to see that
Didn't know about that.
It's absolutely ridiculous how many kids are on vrc and do such dumb shit or have nsfw avatars
I got harassed by an 8 year old Nazi kid for 20 minutes straight. Kept threatening me with a "furry hunting license"
Does anyone else have issues with “Conditions to vote kick not met” popping up when voting to kick a player? It never seems to work anymore.
This is so good XD.
It's not even like 13 is that old when you think about it. So yeah.... It really needs a way to enforce this. They COULD have a client that's 13 and younger for them i dunno
if only vrc would uphold their entire TOS instead of picking and choosing random things to inconvenience people, maybe even just give us an option to say "underaged" as a reason for reporting a player
The ones I've met (excluding a few) have been remarkably "sane" and actually held fairly decent skyrim npc conversations, meeting a kid is like playing Russian roulette : you either get a okay/alright or a tier 5 crack head that inhaled 5 propane tanks of helium
Bro I play on quest 2 and tbh one of the main reasons I want to switch is because of the children that use quest 2, and I hate the quest kids that think I’m a child when I’m muted
I started vrchat at like 10 but I'm not like all those others, I'm more mature as litterally everyone else my age that I meet, I don't annoy everyone or crash worlds, and I don't care about all those nsfw avatars cause I discovered all that type of shit at a way too young age so I just ignore them or block them if they are being annoying af, if there are kids like 8 or really young still, that annoy the shit out of everyone and are crashers or any of those other type of annoying childish behaviors I will just report them and block them. I'm 12 now and haven't played vrchat for over a year cause my vr controller fucked up and it's been a bit hard to get one but that aside, hopefully vrchat won't be as bad as it was before my controller shit itself🤞